The Philo Destroyer is a perfect complement to the stock destroyer, with a little less beef. I throw RHFH and if thrown flat, this disc will fly straight for a long time before fading hard at the end of the flight. Be careful to keep the nose down though or the wind will take it straight up into the cosmos. I put one of these in the lake at the Preserve last summer and GGGT recovered it and sent it back to me in Chi for very minimal cost. Thanks y’all! I’d already bought another by that time lol so now I have two! I might buy another once these beat in. Great disc!