I bought the Sirius OLF to replace my Star Orc as a dependable control driver, as orcs have been hard to come by in the correct weights. Its been a great switch. The OLF has the small outer rim "bead" that the teebird has, but (as the flight numbers suggest) it flies like a baby wraith. Compared to the orc, the OLF has a touch more glide, but is not floaty. The stability is reliable as with the orc, but I believe the OLF is more controllable and a little slower than the orc, and will keep its predictability compared to a star orc as it seasons. This run of OLF is fairly flat and I find it more comfortable than a thunderbird to throw forehand, and the with the speed between thunderbirds and orcs, its basically exactly what I wanted. I'll probably have to grab one in Quantum plastic as well. I went from never having touched an OLF to considering it essential bagging in about three rounds of disc golf. Must get for those who want something like a thunderbird but don't like thunderbirds. For reference I currently throw the OLF on a flat forehand about 320' max and am generally using it forehand and backhand for that 275' - 325' range.